Grusch Says He Heard About Reptilians Being Shot – but Never Saw Them
Former US intelligence officer David Grusch claimed on September 30, on Joe Rogan's podcast, that US personnel shot alleged reptilian beings after a UFO crash. Grusch himself, however, stressed that he never saw the beings personally and that he heard the entire story from others.
On The Joe Rogan Experience, Grusch talked about an incident that, according to him, was followed by a crash that could be linked to a clash between different non-human beings. He claimed that dead greys were found at the scene, while the beings referred to as reptilians survived the impact. When Rogan asked what happened to the survivors, Grusch said they were killed, and confirmed that US personnel did it. He also claimed that the beings posed a threat to those present, and that people were hurt or killed during the incident.
Grusch described the beings as more than two meters tall, heavily built and with scaly skin, and compared the alleged craft to a Tic Tac-like shape. This description is independent of the 2004 Southern California UAP sighting made famous by retired Navy Commander David Fravor: he reported a white, oblong object about 12 meters long without visible wings. According to the ibtimes.co.uk article, there is no verified link between the two events.
What do we know, and what don't we?
What we know for certain: in July 2023, testifying under oath before a subcommittee of the House Oversight Committee, Grusch said he had been informed of a multi-decade program involving UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering. Even then he did not claim to have personally examined any recovered bodies; he only cited accounts from others, including people with alleged program knowledge, as well as photographs, documents and classified oral testimony. His latest podcast claim follows the same pattern: he attributes the description of the reptilians to a friend who, he says, had knowledge of the case.
What we don't know: exactly how many such alleged clashes took place. Asked how often a similar incident may have occurred, Grusch replied that the total could be "at least a dozen or two," but he himself signaled uncertainty about the number and some of the details. He gave no names and presented no independently verifiable documentation during the interview.
The Pentagon's office handling UAP matters, AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office), said in September 2025 that it had found no evidence of extraterrestrial beings or technology. Grusch's claims are thus, for now, similar to what physicist Eric Davis also raised at a May 1, 2025 congressional UAP briefing, when he spoke of greys, Nordics, insectoids and reptilians. Representative Eric Burlison, who represents Missouri's 7th Congressional District, later confirmed that he had heard the same categories in private conversations, but expressed uncertainty about the basis for Davis's information, and noted that the claims would be "paradigm-shifting" if proved true. Burlison's comments did not independently substantiate either Davis's or Grusch's claims.
Following the interview, UFO-focused communities debated on Reddit: some explored the significance of the alleged event, while others pointed to the continuing absence of publicly verifiable evidence. Until such evidence emerges, the alleged crash, the description of the beings and the alleged shooting remain unverified for now.
The sober take
According to the ibtimes.co.uk article, there is no publicly verifiable evidence that reptilian or other non-human beings were found in crashed craft, and the Pentagon's AARO office explicitly stated in September 2025 that it had found no such evidence. Grusch's claim is itself based on a second-hand account, which he attributes to a friend.